Comments on: Caucasian Achievement and Recognition Scholarship http://blog.bleaus.net/2006/11/21/caucasian-achievement-and-recognition-scholarship/ My life for all to read Thu, 28 Jul 2011 11:04:34 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Jeremy http://blog.bleaus.net/2006/11/21/caucasian-achievement-and-recognition-scholarship/comment-page-1/#comment-139 Jeremy Thu, 30 Nov 2006 21:15:05 +0000 http://blog.bleaus.net/2006/11/21/caucasian-achievement-and-recognition-scholarship/#comment-139 brooke brings up a really good point. I'm pretty sure most of the scholarships Bethel has that are of that type, were given for those purposes. It appears that in the last fiscal year restricted gifts were about a third, and that's significantly down from the previous year. Unfortunately in that report when they list gift aid, they give the usual disclaimer about some is restricted, but don't say how much. What usually happens is someone gives a certain amount to the foundation, with the earmark it be disbursed over x years, or that it be perpetual (only the interest earned is disbursed). When this is done, the giver usually writes the requirements for getting it. Whether the school will accept it on those terms is another question. In any case, you know admissions will push any possibilities to applicants, which may make it seem like they're helping certain groups more. Of course there are ones that may come from the school's general funds (in which any giver may threaten to withdraw future gifts), or ones given by the government (in which taxpayers can yell and vote for someone else who they don't think will do the same thing). Back to the withdraw future gifts thing. One of the most effective ways to control a school (or any non-profit), is to give a significant conditional recurring gift. If it's large enough, they will get dependent on it and won't want to lose it, and will jump through hoops (or change policies and positions) to keep it. For this reason most organizations will tend to avoid gifts like that in the first place, usually by trying to talk their way out of the conditions up front. If the conditions start off in line enough, the gift is large enough, or it's started small enough and pushed up slowly, it may still be possible to get one's influence in place. It also works on a smaller scale across large groups of gift-givers, with the concerns about may small to medium gifts going away if certain changes are made. An example there is the whole drinking thing. Money is too powerful an influence these days... brooke brings up a really good point. I’m pretty sure most of the scholarships Bethel has that are of that type, were given for those purposes. It appears that in the last fiscal year restricted gifts were about a third, and that’s significantly down from the previous year. Unfortunately in that report when they list gift aid, they give the usual disclaimer about some is restricted, but don’t say how much. What usually happens is someone gives a certain amount to the foundation, with the earmark it be disbursed over x years, or that it be perpetual (only the interest earned is disbursed). When this is done, the giver usually writes the requirements for getting it. Whether the school will accept it on those terms is another question. In any case, you know admissions will push any possibilities to applicants, which may make it seem like they’re helping certain groups more. Of course there are ones that may come from the school’s general funds (in which any giver may threaten to withdraw future gifts), or ones given by the government (in which taxpayers can yell and vote for someone else who they don’t think will do the same thing).

Back to the withdraw future gifts thing. One of the most effective ways to control a school (or any non-profit), is to give a significant conditional recurring gift. If it’s large enough, they will get dependent on it and won’t want to lose it, and will jump through hoops (or change policies and positions) to keep it. For this reason most organizations will tend to avoid gifts like that in the first place, usually by trying to talk their way out of the conditions up front. If the conditions start off in line enough, the gift is large enough, or it’s started small enough and pushed up slowly, it may still be possible to get one’s influence in place. It also works on a smaller scale across large groups of gift-givers, with the concerns about may small to medium gifts going away if certain changes are made. An example there is the whole drinking thing. Money is too powerful an influence these days…

]]> By: brooke http://blog.bleaus.net/2006/11/21/caucasian-achievement-and-recognition-scholarship/comment-page-1/#comment-138 brooke Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:20:22 +0000 http://blog.bleaus.net/2006/11/21/caucasian-achievement-and-recognition-scholarship/#comment-138 i know i'm a little late on this, but...i don't think as many schools give scholarships based on race - i think that it's individual organizations that do it more. it's their money, they have the right to do with that money as they please. as far as schools go, most do give money based on achievements...i know i got a little bit of money from the state of california and from bethel for test scores and grades. i may be wrong, but in looking for scholarships, it seemed like it had less to do with the school itself and more so to do with the organizations offering the scholarships - even if it was one person (or group) offering that money through the school of their choice. don't you have the choice to set up a scholarship program through bethel that awards money to a white male that's interested in pursuing a career in politics? or, a student from long prairie? just like i could set one up for a female pursuing physics or someone from the west coast? or just some arbitrary achievement or characteristic? just my thoughts... i know i’m a little late on this, but…i don’t think as many schools give scholarships based on race – i think that it’s individual organizations that do it more. it’s their money, they have the right to do with that money as they please.

as far as schools go, most do give money based on achievements…i know i got a little bit of money from the state of california and from bethel for test scores and grades.

i may be wrong, but in looking for scholarships, it seemed like it had less to do with the school itself and more so to do with the organizations offering the scholarships – even if it was one person (or group) offering that money through the school of their choice.

don’t you have the choice to set up a scholarship program through bethel that awards money to a white male that’s interested in pursuing a career in politics? or, a student from long prairie? just like i could set one up for a female pursuing physics or someone from the west coast? or just some arbitrary achievement or characteristic?

just my thoughts…

]]> By: bleaus http://blog.bleaus.net/2006/11/21/caucasian-achievement-and-recognition-scholarship/comment-page-1/#comment-128 bleaus Wed, 22 Nov 2006 17:37:56 +0000 http://blog.bleaus.net/2006/11/21/caucasian-achievement-and-recognition-scholarship/#comment-128 Here's <a href="http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=168514" rel="nofollow"> another article</a> on this same topic. To me it shows that the scholarships should be need based, not race based. Here’s another article on this same topic.

To me it shows that the scholarships should be need based, not race based.

]]> By: Dan http://blog.bleaus.net/2006/11/21/caucasian-achievement-and-recognition-scholarship/comment-page-1/#comment-127 Dan Wed, 22 Nov 2006 13:46:59 +0000 http://blog.bleaus.net/2006/11/21/caucasian-achievement-and-recognition-scholarship/#comment-127 I agree with you in the sense that how need is based off of what your parents make if fundamentally flawed since you are right. It really doesn't make a difference if your parents make 20,000 a year or 200,000 a year if they won't give you any money for schooling. As far as AA goes I feel it does have a place in society, however we are human and so it is acted out wrongly in case by case basis depending on the people involved. I really wish that we as people could look beyond race, sex, etc but the sad fact is many of us can't see past that and just see a person. I do feel though there is a need on it on some level until the day comes that minorities in the US are just as well off as the people who have the most say in policies that are made in the US which like it or not are you and me (well middle to upper class white AAmerican males - and somewhat women). Good post though Austin, really makes one think. I agree with you in the sense that how need is based off of what your parents make if fundamentally flawed since you are right. It really doesn’t make a difference if your parents make 20,000 a year or 200,000 a year if they won’t give you any money for schooling.

As far as AA goes I feel it does have a place in society, however we are human and so it is acted out wrongly in case by case basis depending on the people involved. I really wish that we as people could look beyond race, sex, etc but the sad fact is many of us can’t see past that and just see a person. I do feel though there is a need on it on some level until the day comes that minorities in the US are just as well off as the people who have the most say in policies that are made in the US which like it or not are you and me (well middle to upper class white AAmerican males – and somewhat women). Good post though Austin, really makes one think.

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